Kreg KMS7801 Standard Swing Stop

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• Kreg KMS7800 Solid Production Stop
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when you pay $27 for a stop block that doesn't always lock in squarely and it flexes, somethings wrong.

I only use my production stop, the flipstop sits in its box. I also have found the flipstop to have play. You can tighten the nut, which decreases it, but then everything gets too tight for moving up and down. I am doing precision cuts - picture frame miters - and this would be far too much tolerance for me. Expect more like.030 (1/32) if the stop is tight and.060 (1/16) if it is loose.

Setting up your miter saw with stop system is mandatory in my opinion. And they come out perfect. So I have tightened the nut down and made it a non-fliping stop for fine cabinetry. Need 8 cripples at 33". For a constuction site and most projects, the flip stop would be the way to go, but I should have purchased the "production stop" to get the highest precision.

Any time you use a tape measure, you are wasting time.-SteveMy only minor complaint is the flip stop has a tiny bit of play in it. For that price I instead bought 2 4' kreg tracks and the flip stop. I'd rather have a cheaper miter saw than omit having a stop system. I'm very happy with my Kreg track and stop system. Set the stop and chop as fast as you can. I've use the Beismeyer stops for 10 years and they work well. We're talking a tiny little hair of play-Maybe.015 inch. Sure it will take a couple hours and add $100, but it will be worth it.

The old tape measure/pencil mark/chase the mark and make a cut method is such a waste of time I'm amazed when I see builders doing it. But they are so proud of their little stop which looks like it was made in a garage they think it's worth over $100. It works every bit as well was easier to set up.So my advice--do not buy a miter saw with out also building a table, fence and kreg stop system.

It is so easy to use with the tape measure to reduce your measuring pains. Now that I think about the issue, I should have sent the stop block back and put flipstops on both sides, oh well.The stopblock also has some other issues (I would rate only a 2) the cursors are pieces of plastic that fit into a slot on each side of the block. I recently built a Miter saw station and added a Kreg track to the top of my fence. It is a straight slot without a stop in it, so you have to be careful how you install the plastic pieces to make sure they have 3/8" out each side. Both flipstop and stop block work very well as a stop block. They should be the same.So what I had to do is install the tape measure for the flipstop to the left of the blade and the tape measure for the stop block to the right of the blade. While the offset for the stop block is 3/8" for the cursor.

I put the flipstop on the leftside (my most frequently used side) and the stop block on the rightside. However, the flip stop has a 1/4" offset for the cursor. The flip stop has an end of the channel that makes it impossible to put in with any different offset than the 1/4". Why.